PHP or RoR?

Haris,

As I've mentioned, I haven't completed the book yet. I've just been coding the shopping cart step by step and getting a feel for RoR. I'm pretty sure going through the 270 pages detailing the framework (pgs 228-598) will really help bring things together.

If you really want to learn something, it'll take time, so you have to be willing to spend the time. This is one of the top books on RoR, so I suggest you stick to it.

It took me about 2 weeks to build my first site using PHP and I was self-taught, but since then I haven't stopped learning and improving my skills because there's so much you can do.

Originally Posted by DJAC Haris, As I've mentioned, I haven't completed the book yet. I've just been coding the shopping cart step by step and getting a feel for RoR. I'm pretty sure going through the 270 pages detailing the framework (pgs 228-598) will really help bring things together. If you really want to learn something, it'll take time, so you have to be willing to spend the time. This is one of the top books on RoR, so I suggest you stick to it. It took me about 2 weeks to build my first site using PHP and I was self-taught, but since then I haven't stopped learning and improving my skills because there's so much you can do.

Thanks for the advice. The book is a little confusing without basics so I'm going to go through http://rubylearning.com/satishtalim/tutorial.html first.

Originally Posted by Haris Thanks for the advice. The book is a little confusing without basics so I'm going to go through http://rubylearning.com/satishtalim/tutorial.html first.

That link gives more info on the Ruby programming language... so that'll be a good read for you. Also, I read Appendix A from Agile first since It gives a bit of an intro on Ruby.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by DJAC That link gives more info on the Ruby programming language... so that'll be a good read for you. Also, I read Appendix A from Agile first since It gives a bit of an intro on Ruby. Good luck!

I'll give it a read too.

The Agile book says that you should start with the appendices if you have yet to use Ruby. In there, you get the basics on all the syntax. If you are just blindly going through the motions and copying the books code without understanding, how can you learn?

That said, unless you are familiar with web development, go with PHP first. I think its a very good thing to learn the nuts and bolts of whats going on in your application before moving onto a framework, something that abstracts away a lot of those nuts and bolts. If you don't understand whats going on underneath it all, you will never really understand how things are working on the surface.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by tristan The Agile book says that you should start with the appendices if you have yet to use Ruby. In there, you get the basics on all the syntax. If you are just blindly going through the motions and copying the books code without understanding, how can you learn? That said, unless you are familiar with web development, go with PHP first. I think its a very good thing to learn the nuts and bolts of whats going on in your application before moving onto a framework, something that abstracts away a lot of those nuts and bolts. If you don't understand whats going on underneath it all, you will never really understand how things are working on the surface. Good luck!

Well don't want to argue but I don't see how PHP would help you learn ruby ... ruby is OPP .. My advice is first to learn Ruby you can use the notes by Satish Talim or you could enroll in his free ruby course at:
http://rubylearning.org
There is a batch which is going to open soon. And also there is a introductory rails course(it's the first batch so it's I can't tell you anything about it) at:
www.traineronrails.com
I am e student in both courses ... I would say that the free ruby course run by Satish Talim is a great experience and is fun to learn the language. When you learn Ruby it will be much much easier to understand rails.
Regards