Google stock is amazing

Why do you think these companies sell stock in the company? They need capital for future growth and that is how they obtain it. Isn't the company just as bad as the investor? Give me your money and we might make you more.. Why give sweet and blood when you can simply invest your way through life.. You can nickel and dime your way through life if you want.. i rather take the smart way..

When your about ready to retire you think back on this post.. when you are struggling to pay medical bills, prescriptions and any other bills because you were too foolish to use your money to its potential. Learn economics or die poor.. your choice.

Originally Posted by internal_glitch Why do you think these companies sell stock in the company? They need capital for future growth and that is how they obtain it. Isn't the company just as bad as the investor? Give me your money and we might make you more.. Why give sweet and blood when you can simply invest your way through life.. You can nickel and dime your way through life if you want.. i rather take the smart way..

Yeah but they're not saying we might make you more, unless they say we will make you more, or a devious investor knows they will, nobody will buy their stock. So while the company is doing it for more money now, and will pay it back; the stockholder is doing much worse, but giving some money now, getting it all back (no stockholder is going to buy stock unless they know it will bring back profit, they'd need a heart to do that) and then getting as much more back as possible. The very moment they don't think the stock will make money, they'll pull out. That is why it is wrong :P

You give sweat and blood because then it is worthwhile money :P How can you sit back with your swagger once you're rich thinking 'I did nothing to get this' and live with yourself? You want to sit back with your riches, gaphawing randomly in all directions giving anecdotes at tea parties on the ceiling about how you made your money fair and square through work and toil. The smart way is not the easiest way :P The smart way is the decent way.

Originally Posted by internal_glitch When your about ready to retire you think back on this post.. when you are struggling to pay medical bills, prescriptions and any other bills because you were too foolish to use your money to its potential. Learn economics or die poor.. your choice.

We'll see... but I'd rather die poor than learn the evils of economics :P

Originally Posted by Lord Kalthorn if you're going to get rid of MySQL you'd have to get rid of PHP

Wow, how stupid.

I dont know if you know (of if in fact, anyone knows), but you dont have to use ASP to run MSSQL... PHP aslo supports it, as well as many other database technologies.

Have you ever stopped to think that some people make open source software becuase of:

1. Enjoyment of programming
2. There is currently no software that does what they want
3. The current software is pretty bad.

As an example, I use Mozilla Firefox to browse the web... An open source project. I can clearly see why it was developed, as IE is terrible. I'm not one of these "anti IE" people that hate IE becuase its IE... I hate IE becuase it was the cauase of having to reformat my computer... Plus Firefox gives me the ability to use tabs, JS inspector, DOM inspector and several other plugins.

I understand that you are entitled to your opinion, and I am not arguing that you are not, I just think alot of what you said is over generalised...Many open source developers have very well paying jobs, and open source makes our lives better online. Even if you don't notice it, you are probably using many technologies that have been developed open source.

Also, I dont see what the big deal with selling part of the company for finance is. If you need money to progress in business then whats the problem with stocks. A company is NOT a person. If people in the company were selling themselves for finance, then I can see a problem, other than that, I cant see anything wrong with playing the stock market.

Originally Posted by ev5 Wow, how stupid. I dont know if you know (of if in fact, anyone knows), but you dont have to use ASP to run MSSQL... PHP aslo supports it, as well as many other database technologies. Have you ever stopped to think that some people make open source software becuase of: 1. Enjoyment of programming 2. There is currently no software that does what they want 3. The current software is pretty bad.

I'm sure you can use ASP.NET to use MySQL, and PHP to use MSSQL. Indeed I'm positive PHP supports most if not all Database Formats. But somebody who is going to want to use PHP for a Database driven site is very rarely going to use MSSQL because if they're using PHP, they have probably already chosen their team. They'll want to use MySQL. Without MySQL, they would have to for cost effectiveness use MSSQL; and if they're going to use MSSQL they'll already have a Windows Server, so they will of course use ASP.NET.

I have not considered any of those possibilities because I cannot see a great difference between PHP and ASP.NET, other than Trademarks, legal rights, and the fact that with ASP.NET you use whatever Programming Language you are cool with, rather than the PHP Language, and you get loads of from the box features you don't have to code yourself :P

Originally Posted by ev5 As an example, I use Mozilla Firefox to browse the web... An open source project. I can clearly see why it was developed, as IE is terrible. I'm not one of these "anti IE" people that hate IE becuase its IE... I hate IE becuase it was the cauase of having to reformat my computer... Plus Firefox gives me the ability to use tabs, JS inspector, DOM inspector and several other plugins.

The JavaScript Console tool is fantastic though, the Internet Explorer one is not so detailed it has to be said. But other than that, you are talking about an Internet Explorer from a year ago. The Internet Explorer from now, not only has Tabs, but has as many faults as Firefox, not more. The Internet Explorer that lets you have to reformat your computer for using the Internet is only on Windows 98 machines because they are no longer supported.

People only ever seem to give impressions of Internet Explorer from their own experiences over a year ago, presuming either that it hasn't changed purely because it is still version 6, or that it will never change.

Originally Posted by ev5 I understand that you are entitled to your opinion, and I am not arguing that you are not, I just think alot of what you said is over generalised...Many open source developers have very well paying jobs, and open source makes our lives better online. Even if you don't notice it, you are probably using many technologies that have been developed open source.

Open Source Developers who have well paying jobs in proper development are worse than my pleasant generalisation (Linux-Folk) of a moldy programmer, perhaps 19, with cheese burgers around him, weighing in at 30 stone, and hacking porn websites. An Open Source Developer who then works in the real world developing proper software is a turncoat and a traitor to both factions. How can you trust or respect the work of a person who says one thing, and gets paid for another? It is like a Hippi pro-life Liberal selling Weed and Tye Dye T-Shirts by the side of the Motorway by day and joining in on rallies calling for Peace on Earth, and working as a professional assassin by night.

You are probably confusing 'Open Source' and 'in a University'. While a lot of the things I'm using right now were invented in a University, that doesn't make them Open Source, because right now I couldn't change them; sure I could see how it has been made, but I couldn't take it, change it, and release it myself. The are probably things that are helping now that are Open Source; PHP for instance, MySQL. But Open Source stories of peace, love, and continuing happiness to all the world's people like those of PHP and MySQL are thankfully rare.

Originally Posted by ev5 Also, I dont see what the big deal with selling part of the company for finance is. If you need money to progress in business then whats the problem with stocks. A company is NOT a person. If people in the company were selling themselves for finance, then I can see a problem, other than that, I cant see anything wrong with playing the stock market.

A company is a type of person. It is an entity of lots of people, a company would not exist without its people. If you need money to progress your business you work harder and better to get that money, or at least outsource valuable assets. The moment a company sells stock it is not its own commander anymore; its President is impotent and talentless buggers with more money than decency command the company in only one direction, towards the accumulation of more money.

But Open Source stories of peace, love, and continuing happiness to all the world's people like those of PHP and MySQL are thankfully rare.

Whats wrong with peace, love and happiess? I guess you like war, monopolies and hate right?

Anyway, you can believe what you want to believe. It is clear that you will blindly love Microsoft whatever anyone says, and hate any competition they have. (be it Google, Open-Source, or peace etc)

Originally Posted by Jonny Whats wrong with peace, love and happiess? I guess you like war, monopolies and hate right? Anyway, you can believe what you want to believe. It is clear that you will blindly love Microsoft whatever anyone says, and hate any competition they have. (be it Google, Open-Source, or peace etc)

Oh no I am very much for peace, love and happiness I constantly dream of the Microsoft Paradise of the future. It is just in my Peace filled, Lovely, and Happy future, Microsoft makes two of everything and competes with itself. Rather than the Open Source Peace, Love, and Happiness filled world where no single piece of software is on more than a hundred computers, there are no longer any distribution names available under seven charactors, new computer users can be manipulated by programmers and sold bugged operating systems, and nobody cares because they're all on the beach, naked, smoking a joint and making stars in the sand.

I don't hate all of Microsoft's competition :P Only the ones with Anarchistic (or in the case of Google, Nazi) agendas. I do actually like Sony very much, although they are competitors with Microsoft in both the Game Console Wars and the future of the Entertainment Living Room.

I'm not surprised you like Sony. I'm sure you have already heard about the hidden malware on Sony's music cds right?

You really do pick them, don't you.

Haha, I'm with Microsoft about the hidden Malware :P I don't like any of Sony's software, or their Computers, as a rule it is very off, but their Home Entertainment equipment Top notch!

Sulake labs has gone up expotentially in the last five years.

www.sulake.com

Creators of the
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So basically you are disagreeing with the entire idealism that this country was based on? Are you saying the the Free Enterprise System that has brought this country to be the most powerful in the world.. is just.. "pig-doggery"? You feel that a cooperation, selling stocks to keep it going, to keep funding going, is unjust? Are you saying that the Market Economy that this entire country as a whole is based on, the economy that has kept this country going, that has helped this country flourish.. is just.. skat? Stocks are not "Pig-Doggery", stocks are what keep this country moving.. Market Economy is an econom based on private ownership of bussiness.. It's what seperates us from the Socialists.. and Communists.. Private Ownership of Bussiness. Thats all a stock represents..