Microsoft Live

Originally Posted by Jhin Well, personally I think this is Microsoft's (somewhat) late response to the Sun Microsystems & Google partnership. Sun Microsystems has already developed a free office style product called OpenOffice (OpenOffice Website for those who want to take a look). It has been around for a while and has just released version 2.0. Now with them partnering up with Google to improve the product who knows what will happen. It's good to see Microsoft getting a little more competition and following the trends that are coming up. Despite Mr. Gate's speech to the contrary, I still think Microsoft is going to be a company that is about the money over the service they provide. They have been so big for so long they've gotten the attitude "it's my way or the highway". We'll see how it goes...

Office Live is not a Free Office Product :P It is web products that compliment the Office Application. Just like Windows Live is not a Free Windows Product, it is web products that compliment the Windows Operating System. Open Office is not a Web Product :P There are actually no connections between Open Office and Office Live; they do not do anything the other does. And if you're trying to compare Open Office to Office, there is no comparison Presuming we're talking about Office 2000 or above, you might get away with a comparison to Office 97 Sun is dead in Software and we all know it. Open Office isn't even Sun anymore, its Open Source. Plus; Google doesn't have anything on Windows Live or Office Live. It's Personalised Homepage Tool is not only subpar, but has no links to it from Google's Home! It's Talk is worthless, and the sort of services Office Live deals with Google doesn't even work in. The only thing that the Microsoft Live push has in common with Google is that it is based around getting more people using Microsoft Services on the Internet.

Originally Posted by jared MS is trying to play catch up with Yahoo and Google. I think google has been pushing for web 2.0 for some time now. We we see hwo this works. For the advanced users like you and I, I think it will work great. But I believe it might end up being a hassle for the average user.

Microsoft doesn't need to play catchup with Google. And Yahoo aren't even in the picture. Web 2.0 doesn't exist. It is a specialised Internet for Professors that none of us will ever use. Web 2.0 is a euphemism for a type of site that takes the Internet a little further and bring it into a new level of interactivity. Perhaps it is the use of AJAX, perhaps it is DHTML, all in all it is developers trying to make the Internet Richer and more easy. As for these rich web applications, Google is in catch up with Microsoft over them. Google's list of them go: Google Maps, which is poor but is still in that category, and their Personalised Homepage which you can't get to from their site and looks physically sickening. MSN's list goes: MyMSN, the first site ever to use those dockable boxes, Start.com, a fantastic aggregator service that doesn't have a refresh in sight, Live.com, a build on from Start.com, and perhaps the most fantastic demonstration, VirtualEarth, which Google has no version of on the web. The only thing it doesn't have that Google's Earth program has is a tilt, which is not useful, and that is a full Desktop Application!

The partnership between Google and Sun can lead to several more things than their addition of the Google Toolbar to the JRE (java runtime environment), which will allow it to be added to their products. Though they have not announced anything along this line yet, there have been rumors about them developing a web based version of OpenOffice.

Both Sun and Google are being vague when it comes to discussing their plans for the future, though it is obvious it will involve java and the web. And according to several articles on the Sun Microsystems website they are still quite involved in the development of OpenOffice.

October 4, 2005 - Press Release on Sun's Website
Sun Microsystems

The agreement between Sun and Google also kicks off further collaboration between the companies on projects like OpenOffice.org, the open source productivity suite that is the world's leading suite on the Solaris Operating System (Solaris OS) and Linux--and the leading alternative suite on Microsoft Windows.

I freely admit that Sun's Software development days seem to be diminishing, but as I said before...We'll see what happens; this partnership could revitalize them in an unexpected way.

Personally, I'm hopeful for competition and innovation. I have to teach the Microsoft Office suite at my day job and I get to hear first hand the complaints that students have over usability. Perhaps this will lead to some better products from both Microsoft and Sun/Google.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Lord Kalthorn As for these rich web applications, Google is in catch up with Microsoft over them.

Bull****.

Originally Posted by Jhin The partnership between Google and Sun can lead to several more things than their addition of the Google Toolbar to the JRE (java runtime environment), which will allow it to be added to their products. Though they have not announced anything along this line yet, there have been rumors about them developing a web based version of OpenOffice. Both Sun and Google are being vague when it comes to discussing their plans for the future, though it is obvious it will involve java and the web. And according to several articles on the Sun Microsystems website they are still quite involved in the development of OpenOffice. October 4, 2005 - Press Release on Sun's Website Sun Microsystems

They added the Google Toolbar to the Java Runtime Environment?! I didn't even know that. That is insane, radiation has made Sun go mad. I suppose being smashed up my Microsoft so bad makes people do crazy things, they do need the money after all, and they don't care what crap they send out with the Runtime. Blood money, is what it is. Like P2P companies installing Adware with their Systems.

Hmm... I didn't know they were doing anything with it after it stopped being Star Office. I really am getting pissed off with dead companies throwing man power at Open-Source as their last ditch attempts to salvage a bit of a software market that forgot they existed years ago. I suppose a Google web based Open Office wouldn't be too hard to do. Considering the lack of features it has already. Telerik's RAD Editor is web based and is pretty much everything Open Office's Word Processor is.

Originally Posted by Jhin I freely admit that Sun's Software development days seem to be diminishing, but as I said before...We'll see what happens; this partnership could revitalize them in an unexpected way. Personally, I'm hopeful for competition and innovation. I have to teach the Microsoft Office suite at my day job and I get to hear first hand the complaints that students have over usability. Perhaps this will lead to some better products from both Microsoft and Sun/Google. Cheers

It could, but we both know it is not going to. Google are not going to push too much resources into an Open Office on the Web, because it is Open Source already, they cannot make money from it. They could probably put it on their site and have Ads on it, but it would be put on any other site anybody ever wanted it to be put on, and it would never make the money that was put into it. Ultimately Google are scum, they will not stay the distance with something that won't make them money. They will only stay with it as they are now, to start this kind of conversation that Microsoft are behind.

The competition is great, the innovation is much better than it was. Office 12 will be far better than it would have be for the competition, and other things are much better for it. Especially the reshake at Microsoft, it is not really far enough but it is good

I'm more of a Tea person, but I suppose it will do

Originally Posted by Jonny Bull****.

My God! There is a genius in the house!

Yes, and its oobiously not you.

Originally Posted by Lord Kalthorn Ultimately Google are scum, they will not stay the distance with something that won't make them money.

Is that right? Google print, google image search, google talk, google maps, google video? They don't make money from any of those do they?

It's also quite funny that you say that, when you are obviously a Mircrosoft fan. You do know that they are only making these live applications because of the "threat" from Google don't you? Google are "stealing" Microsoft employees and Microsoft is not happy about it.

I prefer peppermint tea. I just like the icon

Ms live looks pretty cool, they already have "Outlook 2003 live" but its called outlook webaccess, I use it for my email currently pretty cool. I think they could go pretty far with this

Originally Posted by Jonny Yes, and its oobiously not you. Is that right? Google print, google image search, google talk, google maps, google video? They don't make money from any of those do they? It's also quite funny that you say that, when you are obviously a Mircrosoft fan. You do know that they are only making these live applications because of the "threat" from Google don't you? Google are "stealing" Microsoft employees and Microsoft is not happy about it.

I could have told you that, I did not claim to be

Yes it is Google Print is not only illegal and wrong, infringing all manner of copyright laws, not only puts all that Print under Google's command for only its Search, but would be supported by advertising. MSN's Book Search will take only Books that are in the public domain, like those it is copying from the British Library, and will allow them to be searched from not only its Search, but from any search engine through APIs. Google Video, like its Book Search, it wrong in so many copyright ways.

Google's Image Search is just another thing in its basic Search, no it does not show you advertisement but they do check what you click and what you search for in order to make their Adwords Program more precise at making money. Google Maps again, linked purely to its Local Search which advertises through Adwords. Google Talk is still supported by Advertisements and not only that, but as far as I am aware it does add your e-mail address to a Newsletter Service that subliminally kills your brain cells and orders you to do random acts of murder.

Hence, they make money from them all And a great deal. I am a Microsoft Fan, was it the Windows Logo on the Avatar or the one on the Signiture that gave it away? They have almost certainly only started their Live! push because of a need for them to capture Internet Markets yes :P

Don't I recognise that Item from somewhere? Ah yes... Web-based Operating System, Tyrannical Behaviour? and Is that not what you should do?. To cut a lot of content short, I would have to say the middle item is the part of the story you are pointing at. Low level Microsoft Employees moving to Google is one thing, reasonably talented ones is just the same really. What that is though is a high power executive who has sensitive information about Microsoft's Plans. Not only that, but he specifically signed that he would not move to a competitor.

'If anything, I would like to think he did say this and did throw the chair across the room. I can believe he would. As a Microsoft fan, I am for having a CEO who loves Microsoft; throwing a chair across a room and vowing to kill Google is a love for Microsoft. Microsoft being good to work for has nothing to do with Lee going. In Microsoft he has said power, in Google, he'd have twice that. When you are so high up the food chain in a company like Microsoft or Google it is not about how good they are to work for, it is about money and power. Steve Balmer realises this, and hiring such a high ranking person from Microsoft, especially one who signed that he cannot move to a competitor, is an affront to Microsoft from Google. If I was CEO I would be pissed off too, and I probably would have thrown the chair at Lee and not across the room.'

Originally Posted by Jhin I prefer peppermint tea. I just like the icon

Haha, never tried peppermint tea... don't really much like the smell. The icon does rule though

Originally Posted by KoMiT Ms live looks pretty cool, they already have "Outlook 2003 live" but its called outlook webaccess, I use it for my email currently pretty cool. I think they could go pretty far with this

Isn't Outlook 2003 Live a subscription Service that gives you a few Gigabytes on an MSN E-Mail account, and give you Outlook 2003 in with the package so you can use it for access? I was under the impression Outlook WebAccess was a feature of Exchange Server 2003 that people with accounts on servers with Exchange 2003 could use if the Admin allowed it. It is great though, whichever it is. I have used it a few times, not at the moment. That is what they are basing the Windows Live! Mail System on. Except rather than Frames, it will use XMLRequests.

Originally Posted by Lord Kalthorn As a Microsoft fan, I am for having a CEO who loves Microsoft; throwing a chair across a room and vowing to kill Google is a love for Microsoft.

Some might call that psychotic, but what do I know. Damn those infedels at Google!

Google are brilliant. Their services are great, Google Earth has helped me loads.

It's probably one of the best resources that have been made for a long time.