Lets just have fun people This thread has pretty much gone off the initial topic a few times now, all the members here are valued and everyone does contribute, we just seem to have a few nit pickers around these parts.

I agree with what Julian is saying, I also agree with Salathes initial post and your final comments James I will lock this thread now simply because there is nothing more to add to this conversation without it turning into an endless cycle of back and forth arguements.