they are crap and have crap motherbaords yes, but i upgraded my motherboard and graphics card and its still less then regular computers that cant run as much as i can. I mostly bought this because it was cheaper then buying a regular computer without the monitor and with vista, as vista wasnt coming with everything at the time, i dont like vista so i downgraded to xp, but just recently upgraded back to vista cause xp didnt seem to want to ruin a program for vista..