sletts I know you were just trying to prove a point, but you were being a huge douchebag. A clan website might have taken you 30 minutes to an hour from start to finish just doing a design and HTML. I understand doing it for free is a waste of your time, but quoting big numbers and talking to the kid like an arrogant ass isn't helping him. I know there's a real problem with underpriced design lately, but if you can convince any little clan to pay you $4,000 for a website then you have skills I haven't even read about.