Originally Posted by talkvb We are talking about a design here on TF. You are talking about little things like forums and icons you don't see unless you click them. We aren't to that point so settle your horses. Not as easy as you think.

I never said anything was easy.... The icons are very visible. They are on your FRONT page. When I skin a forum all of the icons are skinned along with the fourm. I am not bashing you TalkVB, but I do not see your forum offering any compeition in it's topic. Basically it is vbulletin.org, and TF put togather with a nice skin over it. You need to offer something different and make it an "experience".