Ok, my name is David, I am a professional webmaster, I'm a lot older than you lot, but I think young. My job is to help you get to the dizzy heights of not having to pay huge sums of money every week. You can see what I get up to at www.webproworld.com my handle is the same. What I would like to see is some feedback on what tatics you are using. Any of you use the Google Toolbar as a marketting tool, any of you use www.awstats.com to follow googlebots, any of you got questions about DMOZ? If so visit http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12651 and read it from top to bottom, it will help you. I spend pennies in marketting - yet we turn over £55 millions in Mortgage advances. I'm here to help